Referendum in Bavaria is
Get your cross in NO!
After yesterday, already the leader of the CSU, Georg Schmid, announced that the referendum will be a total ban on smoking in the Bavarian gastronomy, today announced the state government cleared the way. Schmidt felt that would bring "only a final decision of the people to bring peace." He added: "We as CSU is important that in this question, the other 86 percent have their say."
Bavarian Health Minister Markus Soeder said on Thursday during the debate in parliament, "Bayern will decide what they ultimately want." To ensure that all eligible voters in Bavaria are called upon to cast their votes during the summer. As a tentative date for the ban decision was the 4th July 2010 scheduled.
Kathrin sun Holzner (SPD), which is to enforce prohibitions, is certainly a candidate with the DVU at a table, called on the government to abandon the referendum. "The money would be much better invested in a campaign for tobacco prevention," said the anti-smoking lobbyist. Internal expert Andreas Fischer (FDP) criticized the call for a total ban on smoking in restaurants. "The law would have either an alibi, because it is not enforced, or there would be another step on the way to the prohibition and surveillance state," said Fischer.
The anti-technology faction ÖDP had made it late last year, bringing nearly 14 percent of the Bavarian electorate with false promises and bogus scare tactics to sign. It was claimed, for example, if you do not sign it, "would soon be back smoking everywhere, even in offices." Even the referendum has been shown that it is "the CSU wipe out a" could.
Meanwhile, many people have come together to prevent the imminent total ban of tobacco use in the Bavarian cuisine. In addition to the federal food and beverage association ( BVGG eV ), the association of " fairness to smokers , "the editor of" News from the rogue "and many other organizations to come together more and more private citizens to provide information on the planned referendum.
Meanwhile, smoke-free between 80 and 90 percent of all Bavarian restaurants. There is no reason to demand a total ban, even if you were a follower of the long refuted belief in the harmfulness of the so-called "passive smoke". It's about the information required by the ÖDP delusions and ban their followers and not to allow for peaceful co-existence of smoking and nonsmoking men speak, as it has for decades worked wonderfully long.
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Hello "Simerl" I apologize to you, because at the two names to the confusion came. I thought that your comments have anything to do with me. Since I'm partlos, I was a little annoyed. Of course you can write as many comments as "Simerl" as you want. Sincerely, the other
"Simmerl". I've got it!
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Explanation!
Example, there is the name for the shortcut name Hanns, Johann Hans name and the names for the same purpose.
Similarly, this is also the name Simon as seen for example in my case with Simon Wittmann, called on his Bavarian style as "Simerl".
The term "Simmerl" was a typo which overlooked by me, but in a subsequent statement was corrected and explained.
If this has now been understood?
Such incidents are not repeated anymore because my comment here from now on adjusting entries. Yes, finally, must not be for me and not vital.
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Clarification
I do not have to comment on Simerl
15/02/2010, 23:46:26 Clock, nor the
Comment on 15/02/2010 23:34:01 Simmerl
Clock written. My last
I wrote this on 15/02/2010,
20:27:14 Clock (individuals and associations).
The name "Simmerl" is a fancy name
based on the name of a long
been locked economy. Further
I'm also with the Bavarian party, the
VEBWK or any other party,
not in conflict or in friendship
to do something.
I am a private person, much of it would stink if they would vote in a referendum for an absolute ban on smoking. Therefore, I want me with my comments
arrange small bit for the cause of farmers and smokers. In addition,
I am also of the opinion that bring little squabbles among themselves. Every comment, regardless of who
However, the facts and reasonable proposals for the Non smoking-
fraction should bring, but warm
be welcome.
In the above two commentators
gerrichtet:
I'm not exactly thrilled that
You name my alibi "Simmerl" and use your imagination,
nothing to do with reality, pull into the dirt.
Do you prefer it, that we the people vote on 4 July 2010 no
To suffer defeat.
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Correction:
When Simon Wittmann is to distinguish the authors comment in the article "A common goal with the Bayern party? If this arrogance? "With the name" Simerl "(Simon Abkürtung) to see.
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A COMMON goal with the Bayern party? If this arrogance?
Keen observer, who, like some people not used in the VEBWKlern his brain has been transferred to the Bavarian Party drawer and on the basis of his thus resulting state necessarily so unrealistic behaves characteristically with the statement "Maybe it's already noticed some that only the Bavarian Party and the FDP used for our cause. "and in the same breath," an alliance of various organizations, the merger is a COMMON goal is to achieve. "responds and calls it, is really not to be seen as a serious man.
The FW - group in contrast to the Bavarian Party in the Bavarian state parliament responsible, through its MDLs are used already proven in the cause of smoking and seeks to continue for a bevormundungsfreie policy in Bavaria, the hosts and their guests over for a cozy Bavarian inn culture to push into the foreground.
What does a Bavarian party with their book - vorzuweisen loudmouths from VEBWK for the cause of smoking already, except only by these great words in the guest book commissioned by the busybodies who have done anything?
By their fruits ye shall know them, and in terms of educating people in the Bavarian referendum against the lies of the antis, they have just done nothing.
The Antis on a very arrogant manner described as "militant Kasperln" so that no one is helped, on the contrary, those primitive insults arouse sympathy for the wrong side. And what "Kasperln" the antis are they indeed the großmauligen "Depperln from VEBWK - Guest Book" made with the success of the referendum proved.
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Is it in the referendum on 04 July
2010 "only" for a ban on smoking in the
Restaurants? It is what many do not
know also affected beer tents at festivals like this.
Must as a poultry breeding association
of its annual festival celebrates and
Beer tent sets up all smoking
Members from the tent to smoke
? hunt What about the many 100-/125- /
150-year celebrations of the founding volunteer fire departments? The fire fighters also have to drive your guests to smoke in front of the tent and who will ask the monitor still beautiful? Can I smoke in the future in a club or hall? What about a birthday party? Here must all go to smoke from the party tent?
Let me mention just a few examples of how
complicated life with a win
The Non smoking initiative
could. Perhaps one or the dawning
others still, what kind of "rubbish" she / he selects, if she / he
The Smoking opponents with his / her
Voice of support
The VEBWK want to do just advertising for the Bavaria party and raking in money. Anyone can Donate for there to throw the money straight to the window. Prefer to donate http://www.fairness-fuer-raucher.de to do and use the fact that smoking is not just.
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Michl host ....... concerned people from VEBWK - Guestbook are now holding times with dyslexia, these individuals are subject to certain dysgraphia, when one thinks and writes about one watt Watterturnier tournament.
A walk across the mudflats at low tide exposes a tournament, "degenerate" (one watt tournament), if you look at groups and this sets a goal to reach in a walking contest in the first watt, a price.
Watter are expressed on Bavarian way a card-playing group consisting of 4 players who focus on a Bavarian card game that Wattn (with the Maxes, Belle and Biesler) actuating manner.
But something just to know only bred Urbayern (ancient Celts gender) and not once long ago immigrated Preissn (former Ostrogoths and other G `schwerlzeug) who founded here decades ago, a party who know only very few and not hear and feel when they possibly with a costume hat also with a chamois beard and lederhosen running around, excited as `Selberg trickte Wurzlseppln Wolperdinger and attention and thus as Urpreissn can no longer be detected.
In such cases, as Watts tournament Watterturnier fällts just on.
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Read the advice and by an earlier reference in the guest book at the VEBWK of a District Association Chairman Dr. H. Berger pass the Bavarian Party in Oberpfaffenhofen: http://pfaffenhofen.bayernpartei.de/ ........ regarding the article "The hops - fool writes"
To my comment here (or you could just summarize the whole thing, so this product! "The hops - fool writes," described as spiritual Dünnschiss):
The Christian faith groups here in Bavaria, as the Roman - Catholic and the Lutheran - Protestant direction to program in their beliefs on the basis of the Old Testament of the Bible defined gauge compliance with the 10 commandments in order to attain the goal of the entrance into eternal life , which is known to bring about the kingdom of heaven together.
Given the 10 commandments of God, according to the Bible, according to Moses by God say, 9 of the 10 Commandments with the sentence beginning "Thou shalt (not) ........... "And only one commandment begins with the sentence beginning" Remember that you .........! "
Bids are known, a kind of prohibition, if it is not directed against them or afterward.
The Roman Catholic. Church has to my knowledge known to be a dogma which indicates that it is the sole true church, and thus at least indirectly, to any other religion than religious basis and thus livelihood for the time being even hostile faces.
The Christianity of the past 2 millennia has evangelized the world after Jesus was the Son of God to His apostles and disciples to "Go forth into the world to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them!"
And now a special quote from hops fools: "The salutary religious leaders flatly reject her doctrine enjoyment of goods, of course, is even sinned in the back room without end."
Neither "The Hopfennarr writes," the author of the article are entirely mistaken the Bavarian Party are rightfully able to determine, and what is pleasure. Everyone has their own pleasure with the determination of his sole personal freedom to decide this for themselves.
The "Hopfennarr" as the author of the following text (which I hereby submit to the criticism intermittent), the Council is giving to suspend his mental "vomit" absolutely a psychiatric test, with the others in its immediate vicinity from nasty surprises (acute-threatening virus danger of madness to know concerning) spared.
I have rarely heard such nonsense wrong or read. Either the author must have been at least in time of the crime of his actions severely drunk or mentally deranged or be completely well, he has canceled his unwisely, prematurely corresponding necessary treatment and has come to completely re-offend.
And when it is acted with such arguments against the smoking ban, by the Christian religions of both faiths (Roman Catholic. And Lutheran prot.) In Bavaria as fundamentalist defamed in this way, one need not wonder therefore if there is a reluctance by tolerant non-smokers to a smoking ban with a cross draw.
Bavaria is a party with such "authors" are among its members, therefore, seem to favor such as author of articles on their side with such a kind of intellectual Dünnschiss, anyway totally unacceptable.
In addition, the decisive question people in the various dioceses of Bavaria will be informed, un-Christian acts with which arguments the Bavarian Party.
Booze and / or insanity is no excuse for such lapses!
Or is it simply just stupid little boys who know no better?
With such people, and with a derartigem action remains a party like the party in Bavaria, its 1.1% of the votes, because it is quite likely to the fact that just have not noticed this same number of voters to their political mistake.
In fairness, one should ask, but also the legitimate questions:
"With regard to these certain people in the Bayern party only" bad apples "in the party who fancy themselves to be the Bavaria party and which were rejected or only occurs with the knowledge and acquiescence of the party elders?"
Or is it just the fanatical smokers than a few isolated cases (similar to the underground clubs), from which the antis as they always say, the nicotine which have already eaten up the brain cells? What twist as the militant antis in the same way the truths and untruths as facts to sell?
Such people understandably hurt our cause as smoking significantly.
Quote from: http://pfaffenhofen.bayernpartei.de/
The hops - fool writes (22.01.2010): Nothing is as it once was, but everything is worse.
Mission conservative kingdom of God:
Fundamentalist religions in Europe are on the rise and promise with their slogans ban the entrance to heaven.
They are radical, broadcast conscious and increasingly successful, "Even Christian fundamentalists in Germany." The Bible is for her life and faith base, other religions, they refuse to convert all non-believers it. Homosexuality is a sin, sex before marriage is frowned upon, the theory of evolution, they call into question. According to estimates in Germany more than a million of them.
The salvific religious leaders flatly reject their doctrine with pleasure goods, is itself, of course sinned in the back room without end.
They point with their fingers on the too-bad-smoking, one's own weaknesses are replaced with refinement, one has found the stopgap.
These homemade do-gooders who are not want their lust for power coupled with religious dogmatism and live out of human oppression.
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Now is the guest book from VEBWK operated without reservation only for the Bayern party advertising. Even for the party headquarters of the party in Bavaria Wolnzach is in the guest book with a mighty big VEBWK advertised Wattertunier. The Bayern want to be and express themselves as Preissn. It is also not Rittertunier and Ritttunier! There's a Watttunier in northern Germany on the sea coasts and the drive there at low tide in the race or the like frogs around.
Mount Muller and his team at the top of the Vereinskumpanen VEBWKs which admit this puppet theater, the bill will get with the club already exits.
In the next few days gets the office of the Association VEBWK (buero@vebwk.com) the termination of my membership and full of me not a cent more.
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I was wondering for a long time: "If the VEBWK STILL a" smoking club ", ie, an association which works to the Bavarian inn culture, or a branch of a political party Zwergerlpartei, the Bayern party?"
I am a member of the FW and I have a 1% - to do Pamperlpartei?
So I support such a party, but not indirectly because only a couple of spinners are VEBWK of this party and run in the guest book of her party VEBWK Punch and Judy show and want austräumen there with the smokers their political illusions.
This party can help us smokers because they are not politically not even represented in the Bavarian parliament and it never will. And we only annoy the other parties such as the FW and the FDP.
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After the supervisor allows the guest book no serious discussion about the issue referendum in the guest book at the VEBWK and entries to publish a corresponding the text of questions and requests denied for clarification, I see myself forced it here in the forum smoking - Bavaria to make:
The VEBWK on calls, the male and female smokers are donations to help finance the failure of the referendum of the Non smoking Protection Act, and thus against a total ban on smoking in restaurants make.
Silvio P. responded according to his entry in the guest book with 20 € already and encourages members and friends on the VEBWKs to follow at least € 10 suit.
If you're as researched and VEBWK given fact as to the opening page 80 000 members have, and should it only 2000 hosts as "full members" in all of Bavaria to be among them, the remaining 78 000 visiting members originally on the foundation also of the 5th December 2007, set membership dues to be the financial foundation of the association is, the legitimate question of what is / was moved with the club members' contributions in excess of one million euros per year (at 80 000 members).
Or would it be better to ask: "If you had the referendum by corresponding educational work towards the signing is no longer willing to move and would then be no need for a referendum and thus can prevent"?
What did the VEBWK reach with his acquiescence in the referendum?
There was not drafted mainly the future of the club in terms of guaranteed existence in the eye and asked therefore to the fore?
Only disgruntled farmers and their guests need the support of an association to further protect their interests!
What if the referendum decides in favor of the ÖDP and their fanatic?
Then continued to fight for the reintroduction of a smoking permitted in restaurants?
Or is there only exceptions to the marquee hosts the festivals?
And what if the EU is a general smoking ban in all EU member states uniformly regulated?
And what is the appeal for funds for Bavarian Party here in the guestbook that was made some time ago?
What the VEBWK has to do with the Bayern party?
Just as well then have all the smokers and smokers inclined towards parties like the FDP and FW are mentioned here in the guestbook and equal rights. The parties remain non-partisan and must VEBWK bordering on and all the party members who are smokers and smokers must be devoted to be seen.
Above all, these parties which are represented in the Bavarian parliament and the cause of the smoking population of Bavaria can be useful.
Questions, questions, most of which VEBWK - interested members and friends of the club burning before they donate!
Comment from: Elke wrote on: 14.02.2010, 15:46:47 Clock
Summer Sucks ....... VEBWK - Guestbook
@ Evi are the handful of Sesselpfurzer guestbook VEBWK there are 2 or 3 of them, which attract the visitors' book at the level of Bavaria party down. Since then one need not be surprised if no acceptance on the part of smokers has been removed.
In the fight's going but mainly just a matter of how to get to the nose-picking their fingers back from the nose. Just as with her guest book, it looks a whole with the club. Important are the only membership fees and the Bavarian Party. A party who spent 40 years at the Bavarian electorate, with around 1% of voters no longer have anything off the ground.
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In the guest book at the VEBWK is always more "dead town"!
If the topic was not salt, road salt for sprinkling on the day the streets tomorrow and the salt in the soup, then it would look like hell without form and void with the guest book of VEBWKs, as the days before and at the 14th Feb 2010th
What should I think of a stubborn or otherwise Allgäu "clever"?
A handful of people take turns with entries, but today you and I tomorrow to the guest book to not have to let it die completely. It is still used for the Bavarian Party, finally after all read a little more web visitors the guestbook page of VEBWK than the relatively unknown side of Bavaria Party.
If the VEBWK itself is so dead as his guest book, then "Good night Bavaria!"
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I am also extremely disappointed by the VEBWK. The could have done so much but, with their stupid sayings and their stupid party advertising at the bottom by me for a long time. The trouble is that not even realize how much they hurt with their arrogance, all smokers. You almost have to think that those are just the smokers do not care, the main thing is their party advertising is disseminated.
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@ Simmerl what you describe is logical, "The smoking and the VEBWK and many more, are like a rabbit in front of the giant snake stood. No host, no-smoking movement, and certainly not a smoker then the petition had argued against it, so that the fatal outcome were 13.9% of signatures of eligible voters about. "I have to agree with you fully.
And the referendum will not pass much more!
The antis have to be too fanatical to miss the chance to make the referendum now definitively hog for a total ban on smoking in restaurants.
If the festival had not barons then made after the introduction of stringent protection Non smoking law in Bavaria, Germany on their great political influence and enforced for their tents at the Oktoberfest, then it would never have come to a loosening of the ban.
What was with the hosts and their guests smoking in the call to the Bavaria said on that first June go?
500 to a maximum of 600 participants were present silly! And clever speeches were made, which brought 0 ...... 0.0!
On 4 July're all good boys smoking outside the pubs under the umbrella of the supporting awareness in itself, "the other smokers are already becoming."
The antis have the petition their required target of 39% and surpassed the arrogant smoking in the guest book from VEBWK have always talked about a few Depperln that it would indeed create on any case.
Since I already ask myself, "who were for the Depperl?"
And now they meet again with their clamor großmauligen fight, yes, the others are struggling and even they do not tear up wet newspaper.
The cry which best and most far their mouths are just rip those who move at least of something wenns matters.
And called as the guest book at the VEBWKs of the Bavarian Party with Dr. H. Pass Berger after thousands of Schmidt von Kochel, whereby certainly the "smith (blacksmith) of Kochel" meant is that it had never existed as a person actually (>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Schmied_von_Kochel
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Muna satellite Ananda makes absolutely correct suggestion was not in the majority of the smoking population infertile. The male and female smokers are in fact far too easy to say the least, more aptly referred too lazy to go to the referendum to vote on the town halls.
Many smokers and smokers also speculate that, with a ban on smoking will inevitably less and do something good for their health and thus also save money by reducing cigarette consumption.
Also, many farmers, it is now nice and slow too annoying, the issue seems to be no smoking and no longer going to reckon with the decision of the Bavarian people in a referendum on smoking ban in the future to exclude a distortion of competition.
Which are still crying out loud is no longer a ban on smoking in restaurants to go to the base tables to drop their plan again in no time.
Who the social life is normal to the base tables and therefore will love this, do not sit at home for a long time. There again all smokers and smokers go to their regular tables and even when smoking in front of the door.
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Comment from the blue haze at 12:02:10
I was very gratifying, but to win the popular vote, we have
us a lot more effort.
In the referendum in Nov. / Dec. 2009
are smokers, and VEBWK and many
more like a rabbit in front of the giant
snake stood. No host, no
Smoking movement, and certainly not a smoker at the time had argued, however, so that the fatal
Result of 13.9% signatures
came about.
My suggestions:
1) try smoking each host must
his guests to win over
and see that they voted
. go
2) rivalry among farmers should
exposed, or even better
be terminated.
3) Every smoker should try, be-
Non smoking befriended for our
Thing to win and the ex-
determination to persuade us
to vote.
4) The VEBWK should try, clubs
and associations in support of
. win
5) The VEBWK would have to Non smoking-
initiators arguments in public
(Television, radio, press, etc.)
to refute.
6) The economic damage
Closure of premises, the
Intolerance, and the paternalism
should the Non smoking lobby
the people informed public
be.
7) Much, much more.
The papers are expected to
mehrheitlich die Nichtraucherlobby
unterstützen. Nur mit viel Fleiß und harter Arbeit kann man den Volksentscheid noch zu unseren Gunsten entscheiden, wenngleich auch viele Leute der Meinung sind, daß das Ganze schon gelaufen ist, und das absolute Rauchverbot so sicher ist wie das Amen in der Kirche.
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Es gab knappe 14% der Bevölkerung, die das Unding unterschrieben haben (warum auch immer).
Es gibt aber vor allem 86%, die nicht unterschrieben haben!
Jetzt liegt es an uns alle, Bayern nicht den Fanatikern zu überlassen.
Und dazu kann Jeder von uns etwas zur Aufklärung beitragen, im Freunden- und Bekanntenkreis, in Foren, im Verein, in Urlaub, eigentlich überall.
Und vor allem, zum Volksentscheid gehen und gegen den Verbots- und Überwachungstaat stimmen.
Die ÖDe P hatte ihr Spiel gehabt, jetzt liegt es bei uns alle, den Freistaat zu bewahren. Und ein Staat ist “frei” nur wenn seine Bürger auch frei sind. ALLE seine Bürger, egal ob sie rauchen oder nicht.
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