Prohibition of desire ÖDP fanatics go to the next round
The petition provides the eco-radical faction ÖDP it in the next round
With a huge amount of money and lies, it has managed the ultra-anti-technology faction ÖDP, about 14.0 percent of the voting population of Bavaria to convince to vote for nonsensical bans. This was not done before-hand smoke lies and other falsehoods of tobacco control stop, we sat down with a DVU candidates to the table and took a pharmaceutical lobbyists on board.
Some media felt compelled to discharge a competition for who would be the slimiest of the court reporter ÖDP. At the top of this news and the Nuremberg Passau New Press should be mentioned that every movement of the fighter for senseless bans and two-time study terminator, Sebastian Frankenberger, annotated with new positives.
The ÖDP has managed to suggest to the people that you desire with the prohibition of the "bigwigs" "wipe" a wool. Request that the ban was democracy in action. It drew skillfully from the fact that a total ban on smoking is nothing more than a further step towards a ban on society and that no one of the signatories would probably ever put his foot in a place that can be allowed in accordance with the current smoking ban smoking.
The prohibition of desire could also just be so successful, because the former fighters and prohibitions against paternalism had withdrawn completely and leave the field to the prohibitionists. The VEBWK? Dead silence except for a few promotional messages for the totally insignificant Bavarian Party. The FDP? When it comes to opinion on the ban as well as desire does not exist. Only the network Smoking tried with the " rogue "and" fanatics test "the anti-media madness set against something.
Now, therefore, held a referendum in which one of the simple majority. The opponents of the ban on party ÖDP fanatic who wanted to let the ban on cell phones, can cast their vote. The output is open. What we know so far is the fact that a minority favored by about 14 percent of the voting citizens of Bavaria a total ban. Let's hope that both media and people recognize until the final decision, that prohibition mania may not be a solution. Not even when the self-appointed saviors and leaders of this ban proponents say Sebastian Frankenberger and acts as if he were a sheep and a wolf.
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A Mr. Hartmann goes like a superman over science.
Only to lose his face not the supervisor of the guest book on my VEBWK entry has the same long delay but still made for publication.
There is already significant. if in this way he acts is to represent others in a false light as possible after the threat of the article in another forum to bring to publication, has been realized.
And yet aware of a note that a Mr. Hartmann or completely ignorant about going. The extremely increased CO2 problem is intensified with the global industrialization to bring together, only has been directed in the past too little attention to, similar to the CFC in connection with the ozone hole.
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Practices in the guest book at the VEBWKs
In the forum or guest book at the VEBWKs it's like at the very dictatorial cult of Scientology, what opinions do not match their own ideal, do not treat as a given. Shall proceed as well as the supervisor of the guestbook VEBWKs with opposing views of certain authors in this guestbook. As a matter of fact a result of the guest book as a supervisor of VEBWK like God on the Internet. This behavior may still occur even to the public.
I will leave the club with immediate termination VEBWK and ignore the next invoiced membership fees as well as my entries in the guestbook of VEBWKs be ignored. This recommendation, I am also interested in other club members that I know of VEBWKs give further and recommend that the unconditional imitation.
My formerly prepared by VEBWK Sign the guestbook:
Test No. 2, a record set here in response to a previous record of a Mr. Joseph Hartmann contrary. Apparently contradictory opinions over certain gentlemen are here in the guestbook is not desirable and can be prevented by the supervisor of the guest book to be uploaded. My brother standing next to me is of the opinion here in this guest book before a certain rule click mentality that dissenters can not publish their reasoning through their own acquired knowledge. After this brief is written before, he can after a failed second Start smoking in another forum asked not be published, with some indication of the creation of a Nichtberücksichtung in this guest book at the VEBWKs where otherwise opinions and view points, and thus apparently be suppressed by.
This paragraph is a totally wrong view of the author of the entry by Joseph Hartmann:
12:12:09
Josef Hartmann writes:
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4th The CO2 - lie is a remarkable example of how seemingly insecure ecological parties acting through ignorance or misinformation controlled the citizens in all areas.
It is undeniable that reputable scientists see no link between CO2 production and global warming, but this does not bother them.
This makes it possible to make global policy, to introduce new taxes and cheer industries in the area of old naive. Whether replacement of refrigerators, purchase of solar panels and environmentally friendly cars, all highly questionable creates new jobs and everything due to CO2.
The true relationship to global warming from these lobbyists are concealed by all means - on the way people stay, but first is the wildlife it.
The fact is that the global industrialization, with its colossal contempt for the negative environmental impacts caused by a proven negative climate change and thus contributes above all, the increased CO 2 - production. Records of the last decades demonstrate this and also in view of the given experience, this fact is not to deny away.
Who brings a downplaying of global climate change and its causes in the same breath with the smoke lie passive in context gives the impression of his own credibility when it comes to secondhand smoke.
A global climate change is now a fact, and sometimes their future negative impacts on humanity and future generations can not be denied.
Temperature changes of the past and present are scientifically incontrovertible and determine who plays down the current prevailing conditions, is extremely irresponsible toward future generations.
The science, with its well-known researchers to agree on global warming to be taken seriously all agree, the only counteraction in the form of effective action to bring this situation to a halt, prevails among the various scientists and politicians, especially the disagreement. The selfishness of mankind is apparently still too large.
Who are the global warming and CO2 - by playing down the problem lie in the same breath secondhand smoke brings together, undermining the credibility of the secondhand smoke as a lie a lie and falsehood.
I would Mr. Hartmann once suggest themselves to the situation of alpine glaciers and global glacier, the Arctic and Antarctic, increased air mass movements by hurricanes deal to typhoons and hurricanes in more detail before such a useless and false claims of an underestimation compared to a given global warming and the contexts problem sets in the world - with the CO2.
Points 1 to 3 according to the circumstances, the point 4 has in its entry on to forge credibility from point 1 to 3. Such unqualified statements provide a breeding ground for the antis arguments against smoking as a comparison.
It is not the same as the sea level rise by several meters of safety as is often promoted by some scientists is. At 3.4 mm / year in recent years, by Satelitenmessungen question that reportedly can not be several meters high impact result. The fact that the water masses in the oceans expand through additional heat supply is still evident. That could change the behavior of the Gulf Stream by the final disappearance of the polar ice caps is understandable.
However, one can not with flimsy projections of meters high sea level rise of so-called would-be scientists, not all the other negative consequences of global warming and CO2 zurechnenden - are issues in question.
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Pity
Tach och to Bavaria to the Friends of enjoyment.
I had to take to my great astonishment, that the petition of the ÖDP (in your sense) was very successful. What's up with you in Bavaria? You had control of the club VEBWK the best alternative that was possible in Germany. Why, dear hosts, did you discontinue this club under the able leadership of Mr. Kohlhuber. A huge mistake in the war on idiocy.
What surprises me very much is the fact whether the amount of the collected signatures to the hardening of the smoking ban. We needed to Berlin about 171 000 votes in the 2nd stage of our petitions, and those have not even got together in the term of 4 months (despite huge expense). I personally have doubts about the honesty of this result.
Regardless of your powers agreed in the fight against the idiocy and trying to get the club rules again in the series (even if it costs money ... and heck of a lot of time and energy). Do not wait forever, that others are doing what and please remember who no calls (the opposite of the policy or compromise offers) need not to be expected that the fundamental interests of our smokers are considered.
The belief in the matter, do not let ruin of the small-minded. Many greetings from Berlin by Ulli Kasiske (Chairman of the Initiative for enjoyment Berlin)
@ All:
I think we currently have very, very different problems than the VEBWK guestbook. When I read this here.
And as if anyone wants hinspenden on the specified accounts that he or she do that yet.
If only my humble opinion.
Regards, Mr.Marple
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Why donate and for what?
Insofar as it is now with the VEBWK come already, now is periodically asked every 3 days in the guest book for donations. And because it is just so beautiful here, even the same for the Bavarian Party.
Here, the reader of the guest book and above all the remaining members of the VEBWKs like dementia are treated. One could actually forget to donate.
It's caustic, accordingly, when the guestbook is misused for the VEBWKs party advertising so permanently. And that too for a small party which is in the time of their entire existence struck only once in public and quite negative with the so-called gambling affair in April 1955.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spielbankenaff% C3% A4re
After the scandal at the time the Bayern party into the political oblivion is gone, where they are above 1.2% - party is still today. Swings from one election to the Bayern party each time by 0.1% higher, and then perhaps even the 5% - managed clause if it does not Bayern, meanwhile, more and more pervasive in our society is more mulikulturellen. Then she's grown up to be a nostalgia party that no one needs more, like it even now is already the case.
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Thus, it has so far been brought to the VEBWK!
[Please do not speculate about characteristics crane hire a third party here, Ed]
Apparently, [deleted, ed] one has to be assigned to the manager of the guest book has really unfortunate for a club with 80 000 members.
Or he has only 40 000 members?
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States in the guest book from VEBWK!
Quote from the guest book at the VEBWK:
06:12:09
Allgäu stubborn writes:
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I also introduced today firmly on Sunday morning that two guestbook entries (not by me)-a, no apparent reason for me again, have been deleted. One was from the Wadlbeißana.
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Because of certain Thusnelda Wadlbeisser not a woman but a man is, and to the commentators themselves, how to determine a long observer of the guest book of VEBWKs, we can project with careful consideration the fact that this commentator is in the evening usually totally drunk and as a woman in this state Wadlbeisser his entries in the guestbook sets.
In the morning when he is sober he is reading his posts yesterday by again, startled by his written indefinable stuff and then deletes it again ashamed.
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VEBWK
These lies of VEBWK and the re-trial, people want to make a difference for smokers and freedom to abuse for party political purposes, for me a reason to warn against VEBWK. As long as the party political advantage VEBWK to take and not about the fight against the ban proponents, is not for me VEBWK existent.
To all the real fighters: visit the Facebook group "Coalition against the absolute ban on smoking" http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=185782819105 and let you not take advantage of the re-VEBWK superiors.
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The VEBWK accounts for more than what he actually presents!
If you no lies when VEBWK not sufficient?
On the opening page of the new VEBWKs (see link) is to:
120 000 protest votes and 40,000 members!
spoken.
http://www.vekwk.com/cms/front_content.php
In this letter (see links) are then all at once 80 000 members!
How credible is because the presidency of the VEBWK?
http://www.vebwk.com/cms/upload/Bilder_81/PDF_81/Pressemitteilung_VEBWK_Volksentscheid.pdf
The VEBWK, the association for the preservation of the Bavarian Inn Culture Association (VEBWK) has the goal
put the interests of the beverage-oriented restaurants in Bavaria, their partners and
To present guests with politics and society. This applies to since 01/08/2009
amended smoking ban, but also for everyone else, the Bavarian inn culture
relevant matters. The political and social influence is VEBWK
underpinned by the membership structure of over 80,000 members.
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Problems?
It seems almost as if the people in Germany are not as bad off as they always do, and they probably find that everything else is going great except for the nasty smoke. Otherwise they would have to worry about maybe essential issues, both domestic and foreign policy.
Or there's really nothing worse than smokers in the world? Nothing more unjust to have to inhale smoke than if you go voluntarily and intentionally in one of the few remaining smoking bars? No idea? Around the world, even in Germany, apparently not.
One would hope that most people were really worse off (or alternatively, once again another Mendienente is currently) so they do not have to endlessly about problems dittrangige thoughts!
Of course, is not meant seriously, I would like to call only in memory: The ability of the referendum is a valuable democratic good, it could probably be used as verily sensible to curtail their rights!
Congratulations, ÖDP! A "good" has it well, people now know the ÖDP. Good for the ÖDP!
PS: This is the result of the decision of secondary importance to me, got used to it in between times to get some fresh air, you get the mind for new thoughts: I am considering a petition to start the sneezing ban in public buildings, bothers me somehow; -)
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Write diarrheal
Oh dear Mark, now he is no longer the protection Non smoking, but for personal wellbeing. And he is planning his first visit to the pub even diligent, because he has not already done so. Well, but he will have a fun and others will be happy first. Maybe they sent him another hay bath her in the pub, so he feels more comfortable and does not smell when he finally goes home.
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A brilliant idea
... This petition.
Never before could you do with so little effort, so valid, and accurate collection, how many people live with extremist ideas in Bavaria. 13.9% are either so followers, or so blind and profoundly fascist, their support by signing the planned persecution of a whole population group.
The Constitution should protect the names of all signatories well to heart, if you can see back to scribbling on smoking pub doors, bricks flying through the windows of tobacco-shops, or a smoker is killed by a Nichtrauchermob ....
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Complete loss of reality
This article is an impressive demonstration of a grotesquely distorted perception of reality and will probably need not be discussed further. To the Editor: I appreciate that insults will be removed from comments - Sorry seems to me to be judged very biased on this page - removed but note also the personal attacks on Sebastian Frankenberger, who have nothing at all to do with the matter. A more realistic assessment of the referendum the way, you can read in the following comment:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/bayern/113/496429/text/
Sincerely,
Richard
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Found
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Always the Same
"Nasty fascists Pack". Oh yes, always the same vocabulary. Something you read in the moment in every second Smoking comment in the forums. A little tip: read even a few good books to obtaining all the structural features of fascism (primarily the leader principle, extreme nationalism, the abolition of civil rights and free elections, total ideology, prohibition of interest groups such as unions) goes before you deal with words you throw, you do not know their meaning!
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Disgusting fascists packing!
[We understand the anger at this senseless prohibitions of Advocates. However, we do not tolerate this insult package. This we leave to the prohibitionists. For this reason, the comment was deleted. The Red]
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Well done!
Finally, the Bavarian voters have shown what they really want: to go smoke-free without being harassed by Tabakmief. 1.3 million people are a powerful demonstration of what will take place at the referendum. And the CSU as well as the tobacco lobby got a ton of bricks.
Smoke Free NOW! NO compromises!
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No insults, etc.
I have just defused a contribution, because he had violated the rules here. I would not resist the malice in your place, as is charged at the end. And I think by then people have time to realize where total bans lead.
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Yes, it's done
[Some insults were deleted. Ban proponents have also adhere to the rules here. The Red]
Dear readers of this page
I've already written in my comment in the last week on this page, the smoking ban will come. You do not seriously believe that this measly 14% is a small minority? It is the tip of the iceberg. We are Bayern to about 2/3 Non smoking and you will see the referendum as well. And that's why the parties do not come from the wind. The CSU has learned that the Non smoking choose differently if they get ripped off.
Yes, the ÖDP is against cell phones - and? There will never be a referendum on this, because it would help no one. But the burning issue for people smoking on the nails, and now it will be redefined and that's a good thing. Obs is the health? Regardless, it serves the well-being. Yeah me neither forced into a small cozy pub to go, I have done either, but soon I'll do it again and then on the way home does not reek of cigarette smoke. Non smoking but just have more of life, namely the other they do not stink!
And the great response you've even highlighted smoking, with your long reckless behavior. So it lives Directory of addiction in their own homes. Oh, there it stinks then you too much .... well something like that!
Regards
Markus
PS: Let's see how long it will take me up here again complains of a Nazi ;-)
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