Quo Vadis, VEBWK?
Removes the VEBWK further and further from its members?
A year ago, that a Bavarian club brought the country to marvel. Within a few months was the VEBWK the fastest growing club in Germany and with a little over 80,000 members, according to the ADAC and Bayern's third biggest club in the Free State.
What caused this hype about a club that was founded mainly by former CSU assets and hosts? It was the group chairman of the CSU, George "Schüttelschorsch" Schmid in the CSU pushed through "the strictest smoking ban in Germany." Citizens and farmers felt run over by Schmid, who arrogantly claimed would, after a few months to get used to people already in the strict smoking ban and accept it.
That people could not be spoon-so simple is now history. And also a big part of VEBWK, whose membership had exploded in 2008.
But soon it was found that the VEBWK was overwhelmed by the situation completely. Sometimes it took months, were sent to the members of their badges. Emails went unanswered and the attempt to make telephone contact with the club failed in most cases.
The website VEBWK was only used as election advertising, but wanted to some of the board members VEBWK for the FDP and the Free Voters are elected to the parliament. Through the establishment of the issue of the smoking ban smoking clubs in the minds of many citizens and had come for many VEBWK was just a shell to be in the VEBWK connected smoking inside clubs.
Political work was, it was ever done, not communicating with members. In the guest book of the reported VEBWK members distanced themselves from their eyes, excessive campaigning. Meanwhile, critical comments in the guestbook rigorously censored, while awakening a handful of people under various pseudonyms with the same content contributions always appear there "something happening" was.
And today? The website of the VEBWK says: "We call for: non-bureaucratic aspect of the otherwise laudable new Bavarian Non smoking Protection Act". A law has been fighting against the originally VEBWK is suddenly "welcome"? And elsewhere: The issue of "smoking ban" is little more space when VEBWK. Suddenly it comes to value-added tax cut for farmers and the project "1 Million", which only the issue of "alcohol" has as its content.
In an interview with the "Münchner Merkur" is expressed Association Board and board member Franz Bergmüller Wiggerl Hagen, among other things the petition of the radical environmental ÖDP faction that wants to install a total smoking ban with no exceptions. Wiggerl Hagn said when asked how it was then, when the smoking clubs should be prohibited, "We can live with."
On "embossed beverage catering" "Bergmüller said:" It makes itself felt in a limited food supply on the map. If I owned a pub with a maximum of 75 square meters, I offer it anyway to no pike perch. "Mr. Bergmüller pretend to so decide what landlords have to provide food?
The statement of Mr. Hagn, "I am still of the opinion that smoking is unhealthy. Insurance companies and doctors have to see that smoking is contained "provides not just for cheering at the VEBWK members, on the contrary. Not a few feel betrayed and terminate their membership. As for the current membership figures, there is unfortunately no official statements of the Board. On the "Project 1 million" is indeed still maintains that VEBWK had "84 000 members," but these numbers are likely to reality have little in common.
Power of VEBWK so the same mistake as the CSU, namely to feel safe? Instead of "Close to the people" to remove themselves further and further away from people? We regret to fear that the VEBWK, who has done great things for no doubt the democracy "from below" has lost its grip. The interests of the members are ignored, where they "welcomed" a tightening of the Bavarian smoking ban by banning smoking in clubs and a Essverbot smoking pubs.
If the VEBWK reached its limits? That one of the assets of VEBWK, Henry Kohlhuber, has established a new national association, the " Federal Association gastronomy and enjoy eV "also suggests that the VEBWK has exceeded its horizon. Let's hope that the people in Bavaria - the politicians continue to show the red card - whether with or without VEBWK. The fight against arrogance and delusion ban is far from over.
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I find not at all the good that has VEBWK zugemcht his guestbook. The Bergmüller I know personally. In my area is known that the better should not have an enemy. Either the Bergmüller something against me or it is the smoke issue not care much! The tretreibt several good projects in Feldkirchen-Westerham progress as a person but as for the smoking ban can come into the bin. Too bad because this is so. I will soon emerge from VEBWK. I do not know what will be the Bergmüller but under the guise "pro-smoking" for not more HERE. He is certainly a clever, energetic man, but he is a opportunist and should not rely on it!
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vebwk the Guestbook was closed due to lack of use. ('vebwk see homepage) Well recently was little more benutzt.eigentlich shame .....
Vebwk will host Wed
I just notice that the homepage in a new light vebwk erstrahlt.respekt.das GB is gone, or I do not think
It's been quiet around the vebwk what's going on?
Perhaps the Vebwk one, change of air would do quite well on the board at times people fresh in the next rounds to go?
Insight ....
... Is the first step to recovery. Because of this association is probably but realized that pub culture is not synonymous with smoking-glorification.
The Fuzzi needs a doctor
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Editor's comment about this:
Even if Mr. Hartmann has in the best anti-fashion repeated lies about the BVGG eV and in his hatred of this association apparently lost all decency, that's no reason to insult him here. You should ignore him or take pity on him most.
In order to clarify
Frigorist has asked me to make the following clear: He is not responsible for the entry in the guestbook VEBWK because he did not write this post. This request to get to you and associate it with the same request of me not to accept the arguments posed by the administration of VEBWK this guest book.
Clarification of lies and false accusations
I would like to clarify a few times:
With an entry in the guest book on 10/27/09 of VEBWK I have offended anyone, because that is my name "Frigorist" entry in the guestbook purely Asked made not by me but by a forger with my name Frigorist.
I tried with a reference to the relevant process to make it public attention, which was not published in the guest book at the VEBWK for some incomprehensible reason to me.
Any additional charge to and from the direction of the Forum smoking - Bavaria, based on my person makes me pay for the legitimate suspicion that such plans be made entries / are of a certain side to this forum again for a pretext for accusations and insults to make the legs. With these unjust accusations and insults here, therefore, a "theme" of far-fetched, with entries for "something moving" to bring this into the comment page of this forum clean.
And call me an "anti" an audacity is unparalleled because it is rarely used in reality as one of the smoking ban, as I This move will.
Because of my profession in the refrigeration industry, I have a lot of insight into the problems of my clients as a caterer and I've helped so many of them in their struggle to exist.
I've assured the administrator of this forum Aranita, by my side no records of this type in the guest book from VEBWK to make what I have strictly adhered to and I will also press is still not in this way, except I would have to defend on the basis unjustified accusations.
One more additional note:
I have at no time a message or message from this forum brought into use, what I've asked the administrator of this forum Aranita in an e-mail response as forwarded by the Munich public prosecutor regarding display of Dr. Soderberg demonstrated.
I would advise to be careful in the future, yet lack any foundation to it with such accusations and insinuations.
Fuzzis
I have now long enough to please the operators of smoking-Bavaria accepted and nothing written about the Gästebuchfuzzis. Now, however, turns this "Frigorist" again completely. He offended again combatants without completely basic.
I quote once the dirt that separates this "Frigorist" with the permission of VEBWK:
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Quote from the editorial office.
We go not to the level of these people down. Whilst I share the lack of understanding about these unspeakable verbal gaffes that are enabled by the admin of VEBWK there, whether by "Frigorist" directly or by a forger. We want the dirt but does not read on our website. If the VEBWK tolerate such rubbish on his website, that's his business. Here is such a word choice is not accepted, not even as a quotation. [The Red]
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I'm pretty sure this is the counterfeiters who constantly pushes the VEBWK guestbook on the loose. For just as the act, act only Antis. The wording of this "Frigorist" is perverse and inhumane. As an anti indicated.
No wonder the VEBWK only a shadow of itself. Who likes this "Frigorist" is a home and unlock these perversions, the suffering must have been under an improper loss of members.
Complete loss of reality
This funny doctor suffers most in complete loss of reality. But seriously who thinks that this faction of the eternal yesterday would establish a "few percent". They had 0.1 percent in the last election and will not this time have more. Who chooses Bavaria Party - the party that is in Brussels with the Greens in a Group - gives away his voice. Those who oppose bans, never elect a party that klüngelt with the Greens, or even with those in a group!
Again Fuzzis
Now they are even too stupid Fuzzis to forge their own multi-accounts. Writes as supposed to be a "passport Willi Berger", then the signs with "Willy". How embarrassing is that? Or are the guest bloggers there too stupid to remember how to write her first name? You can improve the calm, the screenshot is already in my collection called "fuzzy insanity" inside.
Fuzzis
The "stubborn Allgäu", probably as an invention as "Tusnelda Wadlbeisser" or how to call the Fuzzis all there is, again starting with his silly and childish insults. Literally, this is [Please do not insult the editor] to read: "A link points to the smoking-Bayern side, and thus is not particularly credible."
What makes this [Please do not insult the editor] are? I found this message anywhere except on this site and the network-smoking, there are also adjusted by the operator of smoking-Bavaria. That this "Frigorist" steals the message from here and it is not even a source, does not surprise me. Thus the stop. And that message is equal to 100 percent of the truth, me, the Munich prosecutor has confirmed.
So what's this crap that neidigen Fuzzis? Itself accomplish nothing except make stupid controversy and lies, but people who benefited from the work and do what all of us are offended. "Sturer Allgäu," You are disgusting!
I think really slow, that these Fuzzis are introduced by the antis. Such [Please no insults, we prefer to leave the other, Red] are a disgrace to the anti-Prohibition movement.
Permission
Hello,
the VEBWK has no permission to copy news from smoking-Bavaria and spread on its website. The VEBWK this regard has never set with me.
I thought that could be done by the Serveraufall and the consequent loss of the comments recover some rest. Apparently not so. Is regrettable as they may well be that the person in charge of non-VEBWK guestbook his smear campaign against me stops, so I am very interested das. understand that not everyone likes it, I can understand that you also articulates this as well. The ever-burgeoning hatred on the guest book at the VEBWK is controlled by fictitious names, but I can not understand.
Nevertheless, if the administrator thinks the VEBWK-guestbook of having to unlock such a rush (if he has not even written it himself), he should do that. It clearly shows what spirit these guys are and that they are just about to defame colleagues.
And another thing: refrain from spelling and grammar please Flames in the future, such a thing is evidence of poor debating style. Dwell on the concepts of the Internet is of little use, because a man is not defined by whether he knows the difference between a forum and a comment feature or not.
People define themselves by their statements and the admin of VEBWK guest book clearly shows that he is not going to matter, but to act out his hatred for me. Although I still do not understand is why he pushes this hatred, but that's not my job. I'm not his psychiatrist.
Guestbook Fuzzis
The Antis from VEBWK guestbook drive forward their agitation. They is not enough to make advertising under different names for a painful splinter party, no, you will start to pull fighters against the smoking bans in the dirt.
Writes but someone who has the euphonious name of "Renate" given in a terrible school German people the following:
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Now wants a low-Werner Meier's own contributions from his smoke-forum of Bavaria in the opening page of Guestbook smoke Permits (04/09/2009, smoke-bayern.de 28.08. Other countries should expect to perform a disk-Croatia eases smoking ban) to outsource safely to be that his own contributions are not unstable in his forum (due to power failure of the provider) for the smokers lost world?
Or he wants to make sure that his contributions will be read, which is not assured in his own forum for lack of visitors?
As a supporter of the abuse of the guest authors and VEBWK even in his forum this concession is not demanded too much of a good thing?
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To the operators of smoking-Bavaria: Did the VEBWK actually allows messages to take from this page?