BvG: Smoking Clubs constitutional
The LPP is the Bavarian smoking clubs as unconstitutional
The Constitutional Court has practiced in Bavaria possibility of setting up smoking clubs, specifically referred to as constitutional. At the same time, the actions of two restaurateurs and a smoker who had filed complaints against the Bavarian smoking ban, not assumed.
The court based its decision ( the judgment can be found here ) so that by the way in Bavaria, smoking clubs set up, the hosts no economic detriment would arise. Therefore, appropriate action was not taken because of discrimination.
Literally, the court said, "The possibility of a local restaurant for a" smoking clubs to make, "whose members are allowed to smoke there, not is subject to conditions other than the operator of pubs certain groups can meet. Referred to in the enforcement notices requirements for the recognition of a "smoking clubs" - fixed membership structure, with known or retrievable members on hand, admission control with rejection of "passing trade", no purchase of the membership at the entrance of the restaurant - is particularly in specially oriented restaurants such as that of the complainant be met to 3) or in the beverage companies dominated small-scale catering. "
In its reasoning for the rejection led to the Constitutional Court continued: "The constitutional symptoms are no fundamental constitutional importance. Your assumption is not indicated for the enforcement of the violated rights of the complainants alleged, for the constitutional symptoms are not likely to succeed. The challenged provisions violate neither the complainant 1) as a smoker nor the complainant to 2) and the complainants 3) as a restaurant operator in their fundamental rights. "
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Conspiracy?
Nix conspiracy theory. The Italians have already eingeknastelt the first dozen (including Health Minister). But those were not any unsuspecting do-gooders like you, but where we went to money. And what has worked in Italy, works very well in other countries.
The law in Italy should only exist, in order to both comply with EU standards, on the other hand, claims for damages against the state to avert.
However, I suspect that the first compensation claims come at some point in the United States before the Court, and that it also tradition and overturn the then first the (not before nationwide) prohibition is (take the first scientists there now corrections). The EU will then follow, as always.
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Yeah ...
And as might be expected:
The next nickname appeared on that date to mitdiskutierte at all, but has been read in twenty minutes after my last post here seem completely.
And of course the usual acknowledgments and consents for "Lord" R., as it should be otherwise.
Rachow how poor you have to actually be?
How far you have already mentally at the end when you have to be confirmed in the virtual world praise his own person with multiple identities and?
Oh, and to the point of paranoia:
Probably more likely to suffer from paranoia, those who believe, despite knowing better, or even damaged by passive smoking killed.
And in your place I would deal with me once a very different form of delusional psychosis:
The Broadcast and megalomania, in relation to social impoverishment.
So, let's you to say it again:
Do not mock, magazines such as "Psychology Today" to distract, but you really seeking help!
Regards, Mr.Marple
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When you run out of nicknames?
LOL!
Double your accounts still do not impress me, PR.
Especially not if you try, by other "users", the disclosure of your self-presentation tirades suppress.
Such enthusiastic fans did you not even in your self-talk forum!
Face it it this way:
The majority of smokers here formulated Posts about your person are more accurate than many psychological assessments that you would have to seek expensive.
Regards, Mr.Marple
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Marple is rhetorically incompetent
Hey Peter Rachow,
I find this maple or whatever his name is attached to a single argument to the contrary. Instead of searching for cons, he is rather resorting to cheap insults. For that I gave an explanation.
It was proved that shrinks when a smoker brain volume and cell density. She also read once that study report:
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0, 1518,195293,00. html
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Hurrah!
I just added the 10,000 meters in 23 minutes by myself handgestoppten 57 sec run, I can not display tenths of seconds. That's a world record!
Tomorrow I will improve the world record for the 100 freestyle and the weightlifting world record in the heavyweight division, and if I still have time, hit the baby and I Klitschkow to.
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Marpelchen dear!
If you send me your address, I schcke you a copy of "psycholgie today." That you could really use. Your statements are exactly the same level. ;-)))
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Without addiction runs better sichs
I for one am happy with it, run 10 km in about an hour to.
You will of course get the perquisites at the latest after 20 minutes of Internet-abstinence withdrawal symptoms when you network, and smoking-Bayern not round can be observed around the clock to take every opportunity you as understander, rounder, knower and Talented represent (analogously cited by PR), is not it?
But you give no trouble, you'll never Axel, Siggi, Spatz and co. which approach the play in a completely different class than you. The acting from idealistic motives namely; you from even therapeutic reasons.
It used to be so, as you have thrown stones at the sandbox, and this is also true today.
I'll say again, and my really good with you:
Get help.
Regards, Mr.Marple
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Hahahaha!
Quote: "I can run 10 km on the piece, though a bit more than an hour, but I can."
Is that crass! I spoke of "run" not "go", of. v
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At the understander, experts and Wisser
>>> "Well, you do not like that, but for all my hobbies, one needs either intellect, skill, knowledge and enjoyment of sport and physical performance or talent." (QUOTE PR)
LOL!!
Brainy Smurf has spoken.
But one thing you need is not for all of your hobbies: Friends!
And that's why you have you gained these hobbies also, since you have no one with whom you badminton, table tennis, football, volleyball, or just sitting as Ender could play board games. Because it would have to be at least two.
But one thing I ask myself yet:
When you lead for all your hobbies with your mind and talent, if you for days (a short summary of new comments on this page confirms this), in beautiful weather (!) In front of the computer sits and this HP guarding around the clock, so You can respond within a few minutes on each new post?
It amuses, if at this point other than you just described nest looks sick ...
>>> "And thereby wegzuballern alk a big bang" (QUOTE PR)
Every year, I drink about ten beer or wine, or no to alcohol, even if that does not fit into your stereotype of the smoker.
>>> "Smokers are just" socialize ". But this past is dead "(QUOTE PR)
Just as you seem to lead your life (bum around all day on the net, Loner hobbies), but even you lie - in terms of your social life - as good as in the cemetery.
But you speak a quiet, that are healthier than others, then you have at least one thing that your self-worth is helpful.
>>> "Do'd also sport! (...) Within 6-8 weeks and try to run 10 km of the piece can be. Well, you'd have to give up smoking '(QUOTE PR)
I can run 10 km on the piece, though a bit more than an hour, but I can.
Five years ago I smoked almost twice as much as it is today, and I am twice a week, 30 km run, even without a cigarette break! And I'm working on the 30 km to arrive today.
But one thing let you be told: the cigarette is the best for it. No cough and no wheezing.
Smoking and sport do not contradict, quite the opposite.
So you do not have to also say smoking is easier to operate as a sport. One thing is certainly easier than smoking: The world in black and white divide. Because then you have to think not so much. It really is better this way, when the mind is already executing the many hobbies preoccupied.
Regards, Mr.Marple
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@ Marpelchen
Marpelchen, come back down very quickly at the best, you only upset you and your pre-damaged by permanent Nikotinabsus cardiovascular system can only have negative consequences.
You know, people like you can not insult me. That does not work. And if you disputed with smokers must go out of it implied that one is always kind of insulted. This is one of them with you. There is a sense of your "style" if you want to call it that. On my HP can be found under
http://www.peter-rachow.de/daft-dictionary.html
some real highlights of your colleagues. Can you even look at me, maybe something for you is what you need still can.
Have fun! ;-))
Even at the risk of repeating myself: it is sociological evidence that smoking prevalence is a feature of lower social strata. And there is just happy to communicate "by hand". And that is the crux, you just have to adapt if they want to be taken seriously ...
So as I said, quietly accosted that's okay. As long as it remains in verbal Schmäghungen not hurt.
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Now get this straight
Rachow, if you knew how predictable and calculable You are basically:
>>> "Peterkin: (...) But that's just if you do not know what to do, is offended." (Citing PR)
How nice that you thrown to the spring of my glove so willing to absorb, and the term "Peterkin" like an insult against you wertest.
Minimization of the discussion and Verkindlichung counterparty is in fact a stylistic device, which you just love to have you serving them ("bucket", "balls", ...). That you are allergic to it like so, "Peterkin" pointing to react, what a double standard you set for your fellow human beings and in yourself.
Selbstentlarvend also that you are trying to do it right now portray as the "insulting victims." Ironically, the one who in his soliloquy forum insulted and defamed the dozen people, whether real people, virtual or nicks. Likewise, whole groups of people you offend completely undifferentiated (smokers are lower class, visitors from corner bars could not read ...).
And the terms "pathological" and "sociopath" You seem very well push on .... I wonder why?
Consider the whole some sober: there is someone who the whole weekend and all week (work while other people) spends the forum of a different political attitude monitor respect for civil liberties really to respond within a few minutes on each new comment . It seems the only purpose in life to be that person.
In addition, this person still operates a forum in which they seem to be talking to yourself.
In addition, this person for hobbies that are remote from any social contacts: model building, electrical equipment together yourself, scuba diving (all occupations tend to be notorious loner).
In addition, this person can be in the network by itself would appear to confirm the alleged double accounts and praise; confirmations that it does not get in real life, in real social contacts revealed.
The comments on the Internet are further packed with undifferentiated insults towards others, but when the tables are turned once, is an almost infantile reaction, the person is snapped and then literally spits venom.
What do you think that a psychologist would diagnose the face of this evidence in a report?
That the person has well-developed social skills? That the person maintains an intact social contacts? That the person is mentally healthy?
Probably not.
You are here turned up (what a pun, hihihi) to increase by missionary and proselytizing your Selstwert. In fact, you demontierst yourself without realizing it. Just take the top line rather than attack, but as a really well-intentioned advice. Use it as a guide, and go once in you.
Regards, Mr.Marple
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One notices in smokers ...
Very quickly ... if they have reached the end of her argumentative ways and threaten them to go out the arguments:
"... Leprosy forum ... stone-throwing outsider child. Such children often have invisible friends who support them in "their struggle" against the evil. Peterkin ...:. "
But this is just if you do not know what to do, is offended.
"You are still remaining in a reply in another thread guilty, where the BGN has refuted studies already enumerated by you."
How do you get to the BGN had refuted anything? The BGN is for disproves nothing. The BGN has tried to declare secondhand smoke a harmless order to assist in compensation claims of sick restaurant employees have no payments. THIS is the sole drive of BGN.
"...." Instead of chemistry myths "to find the recommended network-smoking."
Ähhemmm, I want you not to come so close, but these pamphlets were hardly created by people that have a required for this specialized training and qualifications.
"This reading provides a concise, objective assessment of the relevant" national studies "on" passive smoking "."
Yes, I have times across these papers read. On each side is at least a fat bug where you will immediately notice that there have written people who really have no idea of chemistry and physics.
Even the statement on page 4 is complete nonsense: There are Auotabgase compared with cigarette smoke. This comparison is of course utter nonsense, because cigarette smoke is an indoor pollutants, automobile exhaust, but is discharged into the atmosphere. Apart from the fact that the combustion temperature of fuel in the combustion chamber of an engine considerably higher than that in a cigarette and possibly cause very different pollutant components. And the ingredients are already in gasoline and diesel fuel quite different, even the length and structure of the carbon chains in fuel at all comparable to tobacco. Quite apart from the fact that the tobacco 600 komplxe more organic compounds are added that react to form compounds in the pyrolysis of which can only dream of a car engine. Comparing with the car exhaust gases (which are also catalytically cleaned) is kind of ridiculous, but it is the authors in their ignorance, of course, not noticed.
And so it continues: "The materials in the main stream so the smoker inhales and absorbs a large extent, for the most part!"
Also complete nonsense. The pollutants left largely to the human body when you exhale again, because this is not a filter system, but sorry, there is a possible surface contact of the gas mixture with the bronchial mucosa.
Class I also found
"Ammonia is an extremely pungent gas. Just because the smoke not noticeable odor
can be seen that the amounts that come from a cigarette, negligible
are. "
If you wanted to use as human sensory detection methods for contaminants, radioactivity would also be completely harmless. Because the man does not also true.
Or this:
"Acrolein, ... This odor is caused by acrolein, and is a sure sign
that the concentration of this substance in the air now to be considerably higher than in the tobacco smoke
a waterfront bar. "
Released by the motto: "If one's no smell, no isses there!" ;-))
And so it goes on and on in the text. It is absolutely ridiculous, because what was delivered. ;-)) As I said, these pamphlets are the pathetic attempt at an amateur theater company, a take on "science." The result is pathetic. Really pathetic.
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@ Bernd Sch.
Well, Bernd, you have once again resorted to the box with the Fäkalvokabeln? I know you do not know. Earlier in DRST You were only those who had no idea but at least civilized hablbwegs occurred. How long have you polterst like that? You are indeed correct unangenehem turned orden. Is life as a "deregulator" so frustrating? ;-)
"Pathological! ... Sociopath ... patients .... sick people here and elsewhere insulted. "
Bernd time a question: who offended whom? Would you please show me fast times where I should have offended you? BTW: Your insults are at the top, so that you know about that look like something has to.
"... Contempt for mankind ... shall submit to the sick day?"
Would you please define "misanthropy" accurate? Maybe those words belong to as "sick", "pathological", etc.?
Aprorpos "sick": Is not that rather sick of the daily inhalation of tobacco smoke addiction of highly damaging and die at some point?
"It's been pathologically ....."
Yes, Bernd, this really is pathological when it accuses other people of a certain negative behavior, and this puts himself on the day. But that is just as in smokers: The reality is something that turns so as one would have liked. And in the end you will then be the "second-hand smoke lie."
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the stone-throwing children
>>> "I wonder how Mr. Racho times will you pick to pieces again." (Quote "MD")
Quite remarkable, I find that users MD, who writes out usually in the same verbal and syntactic style as PR, suddenly since emergence of PR holds back when it comes to studies en masse to bang on the table, it (PR), however, praised how skillfully he could dissect other.
Here then is the name Racho (w) is written entirely coincidentally MD wrong, even though MD maintains a very thorough writing style. Apparently, so no one gets the idea, could possibly hide behind that one and the same person. A rogue who thinks evil ...
How pathetic you really are when it has needed to be praised himself by double accounts?
Said that in leprosy-forum anyway only leads the Admin Nicks among several self-talk is likely to be clear.
Robin, your comparison with the stone-throwing children outsider I can only agree, he is very apt. Such children often have invisible friends who support them in "their struggle" against the evil.
Oh, and your "studies", Peterkin:
You owe the rest is still an answer in another thread, where BGN has refuted studies already enumerated by you. To respond not just stop as much fun as yard-long study of referrals Non smoking initiatives reinzukopieren here, right?
Moreover, whether any interested reader who finds himself amused by the activities of PR, a look into relevant works such as "Chemistry held myths" to find the recommended network smoking. This reading provides a concise, objective assessment of the relevant "national studies" on "passive smoking".
In addition, your references are to the "uneducated underclass" nugatory, people who spend the whole day in their own forum to perform under nicknames self-talk, or zuzumüllen other forums with oh-so-bad points, while adults and children to work / go to school are likely to enjoy social and not necessarily the highest respect. Since changing an alleged studies and an alleged civil service, because if they constantly took place (;-)) nothing in it.
Regards, Mr.Marple (which it considered normal to just under that name in the network to be on the way!)
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Pathological!
Sociopaths do not belong here!
So I've decided to ignore such patients entirely in the future.
I have no desire to leave to insult me by such sick people here and elsewhere.
The last time on "PR":
Because actually falls on anyone who disdain these people sick on the day of your mind?
That's quite abnormal .....
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@ Alfi
Quote: "Secondhand smoke causes more tooth decay in children. Way to go, such awards in the future we want to see our tobacco products as a warning! "
Nice that you have already processed the first study that fast. If you have arrived at the last (so so about the year 2012) and then still living, we are happy to discuss further.
Furthermore, I would be glad when it finally to a scientific analysis of the studies presented by me and came to the popular sculpting below the belt (this is very common in smokers) may be waived. Here is someone present who is always intellectually able to penetrate the studies presented by me?
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Well characterized
Quote "Claudia"
> Actually, it is unfortunate
> Creatures, completely blinded by their
> Madness.
You have charaktesiert the so-called "network Smoking" and other Hardcorenikotinikerorgansiationen very aptly.
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@ "Sh .... g ...."
Quote:
>und wenn sie ihre Kinder zupaffen ist >das sicherheitshalber >verabscheuenswürdig.
Könnten Sie mal kurz darlegen, worin der Unterschied besteht zwischen dem “Zupaffen” eines Erwachsenen und dem eines Kindes?
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Schwache Antworten
“Claudia” schrieb:
>Ich kenne diese “Studien” zum Teil.
>Sie basieren alle auf den
>Propagandalügen der WHO.
Aha. Sie behaupten also implizit, die Wissenschaftler, die diese Studien erstellt haben, werden direkt von der WHO kontrolliert.
Welchen Beweis haben Sie dafür?
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wissts what?
a discussion about victims of passive smoking and possible adverse effects of cigarette smoke is ridiculous! I think I lean not too far out the window when I say that 99% of Erdoberflöche are passive smoking. I do not believe in studies, and especially not from the DKFZ. Even if it's true, the probability of dying from secondhand smoke is very low. Is it not, and only 0.5 man (sorry, the study makes / Statistics) dies to it is that too bad.
Why are my contemporaries, some of them may be victims of passive smoking where they will be exposed to but 99% of the places you go to this world with no passive smoke. Before the poor children are the same unpacked again .... The thing is parents! and if it is zupaffen their children the safe side, despicable.
But adults have almost total freedom of movement, decision-making ability and reading ability. Adults, but it should be easy to go to the smoke out of the way! What is this nonsense of?
I even gave up smoking two years. Great help to me was this pro-smoking. While I hate the cigarette industry pushed much it leicher to renounce the use of tobacco. But I'm not very forgiving and I began again. Therefore, I can already understand that the hate-and ex-smokers, it is important to spinners are not even tempted. Since HERE to self-interest. Everything else is pushed forward. Of course it would not be bad if no one had a vice and each does its job just as in a beehive. The works have been millions of years. Please! People are people and not social insects Individualtität makes people.
I'm probably not related to any of this what is really on its own.
However, I'm sure experience and know that what is forbidden to arbitrarily glad and merry in the underground is flourishing. AND THAT'S A GOOD THING!
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@ Peter Rachow
Class:
Passive smoking leads to increased tooth decay in children.
Way to go, such awards in the future we want to see our tobacco products as a warning!
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Gehirnwäsche
Ich kenne diese “Studien” zum Teil. Sie basieren alle auf den Propagandalügen der WHO.
Aber zu Fanatikern wie Rachow: Ich kenne jemanden, der seit Jahren in der Scientology-Kirche ist. Der ist felsenfest davon überzeugt, dass in seinem Körper Thetanen sind, die ihn versuchen zu hindern, ein ganzer Scientologe zu werden. Er hat sein ganzes Geld in diese Organisation verpulvert, weil die ihm helfen die Thetanen in ihm zu zerstören.
Will man ihm erklären, dass es diese Thetanen nicht gibt, bringt er zig “Beweise” für die Existenz dieser Dinger. Alle basieren natürlich auf Schriften von Hubbard oder seinen Jüngern. Und alles, was diese Thetanen ins Reich des Irrsins) wo sie hingehören) bringt, wird von ihm als Propaganda derer, die Scientology zerstören bezeichnet.
Es ist ganz klar: Würde er einsehen, dass diese Thetanen ein Hirngespinst sind, wäre die Grundlage für seinen Glauben und sein Leben plötzlich weg. Er würde einsehen, was er die letzten Jahre für einen Müll gelebt hat.
Ähnlich ist es mit Rachow und weiteren militanten Antirauchern. Sie müssen die Passivrauchlüge glauben, denn ohne diese ist ihr ganzes Lebensziel, nämlich die Stigmatisierung von rauchenden Menschen, plötzlich völlig ohne Grundlage. Sie würden erkennen, welchen Unsinn sie nachplappern und glauben. Dazu gehört aber viel Willen, viel Einsicht und viel Selbstkritik. Alles Dinge, an denen es Leuten wie Rachow & Konsorten fehlt.
Eigentlich sind das bedauernswerte Geschöpfe, völlig verblendet von ihrem Wahnsinn.
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Wozu die Mühe?
Man beobachtet es manchmal: Da steht ein Kind als Aussenseiter am Spielplatz, weil es die anderen nicht mögen.
Dann beginnt es, mit Steinen auf die spielenden Kinder zu werfen.
Warum?
Weil Isolation und Kontaktstörungen so unerträgliche Ausmasse annehmen können, daß selbst eine Tracht Prügel als positiv empfunden wird, denn sie signalisiert wenigstens Aufmerksamkeit.
Klein Rachow wirft mit Steinen. So what? Wen will er denn treffen?
Also wozu ihn verprügeln?
Er ist doch schon genug gestraft…
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@ Peter Rachow
Do not read yours, right? I've written about 80 years. The nonsense is colorful Excel spreadsheets no better. The confidence level of this "study" is zero. This has nothing to do with Wissentschaft. This is Statisktikwillkür. With such a stupid stuff / you can also study the lethality of strawberry yogurt "prove". If you have already zusammewürgen the numbers so it with the "harmfulness" of PR do not have as much to himself.
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'Passivrauchlüge'
Sehr veehrte “Claudia”,
wo wird bitte in den nachfolgend gelisteten Studien “gelogen”?
Passivrauch führt vermehrt zu Karies bei Kindern:
Autoren: Aligne, Moss et.al.
“Conclusions There is an association between environmental
tobacco smoke and risk of caries among children. Reduction of
passive smoking is important not only for the prevention of many
medical problems, but also for the promotion of children's dental
health.”
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/289/10/1258
Passivrauchexposition setzt die Lungenfunktion beim Erwachsenen herab:
Autoren: Xu und Li
“When ETS exposure was measured by the cigarettes smoked by other
household members at home per day, an exposure-response association
with FEV1 and FVC was again statistically significant. In conclusion,
this study demonstrated that there is a significant association between
exposure to ETS and reduced levels of FEV1 and FVC in adults, and
such an association is dose-dependent.”
http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/151/1/41
Passivrauchexposition verschlechtert die Elastizität der Aorta
Autoren: Stefanadis, Vlachopoulos et. al.
http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/128/6/426
“Conclusions: Both passive and active smoking are associated with an
acute deterioration in the elastic properties of the aorta. This
association between exposure to tobacco smoke and aortic elasticity
indicates that aortic function deteriorates during passive or active
smoking.”
http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/128/6/426
Passivrauchexposition führt zu Glucoseintoleranz
Autoren: Houston, Person et. al.
“Conclusion These findings support a role of both active and passive
smoking in the development of glucose intolerance in young adulthood.”
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/332/7549/1064
Passivrauchexposition erhöht das Lungenkrebsrisiko
Autoren: RC Brownson, MC Alavanja, ET Hock and TS Loy
“CONCLUSIONS. Ours and other recent studies suggest a small but consistent
increased risk of lung cancer from passive smoking. Comprehensive actions
to limit smoking in public places and worksites are well-advised.”
http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/82/11/1525
Passivrauchexposition erhöht das Lungenkrebsrisiko
Autoren: Richard Taylor*, Farid Najafi and Annette Dobson
“Conclusions The abundance of evidence, consistency of finding across
continent and study type, dose–response relationship and biological
plausibility, overwhelmingly support the existence of a causal relationship
between passive smoking and lung cancer.”
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/36/5/1048
Passivrauchexposition erhöht das Risiko für Koronare Herzkrankheit
Autoren: Kawachi, Colditz et. al.
“CONCLUSIONS: Despite the fact that exposure to passive smoking was
assessed by self-report and only at baseline (as well as other limitations),
these data suggest that regular exposure to passive smoking at home
or work increases the risk of CHD among nonsmoking women.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9170399
Passivrauchexposition erhöht das Risiko für Kinder an TB zu erkranken
Autoren: den Boon, Verver et. al.
“CONCLUSIONS. Passive smoking is associated with M tuberculosis
infection in children living in a household with a patient with
tuberculosis. More studies are needed to confirm this observation,
but the possible association is a cause of great concern, considering
the high prevalence of smoking and tuberculosis in most developing
countries.”
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/119/4/734
Passivrauchexposition erhöht das Risiko für Kinder an Blutarmut zu leiden
Autoren: Rathavuth Hong, Jose A Betancourt and Martin Ruiz-Beltran
“Passive smoking from both parents was strongly positively associated
with anemia in young children in Jordan independent of other risk
factors and confounding factors. The results support the importance
of smoking prevention during and after pregnancy that prevent childhood
anemia and others morbidities in young children.”
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2431/7/16/abstract
Passivrauchexposition erhöht das Risiko für Hinrblutungen (Subarachnoid hemorrhage, SAH)
Autoren: Anderson, Feigin et. al.
“Conclusions— A strong positive association was found between cigarette
smoking and SAH, especially for aneurysmal SAH and women, which is
virtually eliminated within a few years of smoking cessation. Large
opportunities exist for preventing SAH through smoking avoidance and
cessation programs.”
http://stroke.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/35/3/633
Passivrauchexposition erhöht das Risiko für Diabetes
Autoren: Hayashino, Fukuhara et. al.
“CONCLUSIONS—In this cohort, exposure to passive smoke in the workplace was
associated with an increased risk of diabetes after adjustment for a large
number of possible confounders.”
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/31/4/732
Passivrauchexposition verschlechtert die Herzleistung
Autoren: Otsuka, Watanabe et. al.
“CONCLUSIONS: Passive smoking substantially reduced CFVR in healthy
nonsmokers.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11466122
Passivrauchexposition verschlechtert die Herzleistung
Autoren: Woo, Chook et. al.
“In modernized Chinese, as in Caucasians, exposure to heavy environmental
tobacco smoke causes arterial endothelial dysfunction, a key early event
in atherosclerosis. This may have serious implications for cardiovascular
health in China, currently in a process of rapid modernization.”
http://content.onlinejacc.org/cgi/content/abstract/36/4/1228
Passivrauchexposition erhöht bei Kindern das Risiko für Mittelohrentzündung
Autoren: Peter A Jacoby, Harvey L Coates et. al.
“Conclusions: Reducing the exposure of children to ETS is a public health
priority, especially for the Aboriginal population. A smoke-free environment
will help reduce the burden of OM.”
http://mja.com.au/public/issues/188_10_190508/jac10619_fm.html
Passivrauchexposition erhöht bei Frauen das Risiko für Koronare Herzkrankheit
Autoren: Elduff, Dobson et. al.
“Conclusion-Our study found evidence for the adverse effects of exposure to
ETS on risk of coronary heart disease among women, especially at home.”
http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/view/UQ:35352
Passivrauchexposition erhöht bei Kindern das Risko für Atemwegsstörungen und Krankenhausaufenthalt
Autoren: YUE CHEN*, WANXIAN LI*, SHUNZHANG YU* and WANHUA QIAN
“A significant dose-response relationship of passive smoking to hospitalization for
respiratory illness during the children's first 18 months of life was found,
for which no confounding factors were discovered. The incidence density ratio
of hospitalization for respiratory illness was 2.1 for children living in
families including people who smoked 20 or more cigarettes a day compared
with those living in non-smoking families.”
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/17/2/348
Passivrauchexposition erhöht bei Erwachsenen das Riskso für Asthma und chron. Bronchitis
Autoren: Radon, Nowak et. al.
“Discission: In this study, involuntary tobacco smoke exposure,
especially in the workplace, was associated with the prevalence of
respiratory symptoms in young adults even after adjustment for
occupational exposure. The risk estimates increased significantly
with the increasing duration of daily exposure to second-hand smoke.”
http://www.chestjournal.org/cgi/reprint/122/3/1086.pdf?ref=Sawos.Org
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Fascinating
Ich finde es faszinierend, wie jemand, der den Unsinn der Passivrauchlüge einschließlich der angeblichen 3301 Toten glaubt und verbreitet von anderen zu jeder Aussage irgendwelche Studien verlangt.
Aber das ist bezeichnend für Fanatiker. In ihrer Welt gilt nur noch ihre paranoide Vorstellung, alles andere wird geleugnet. Und was besonders nett ist: Nicht mal die Hirnfreien wollen mit Rachow etwas zu tun haben. Und dort herrscht ja der Irrsinn in Reinkultur.
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Beweis?
“In der Tat gab es gar keine erhöhten Leukämieraten um KKW's.”
Aha. Und wo bitte ist der wiss. Beweis?
BTW, Herr “Robin”: wenn ich mich so weit aus dem Fenster lehnen würde wie Du (ohne für die vorgebrachten Behauptungen auch nur irgendeinen Beweis vortragen zu können) wäre ich ziemlich zurückhaltend mit flotten Sprüchen. Im Moment liegen nämlich weder von Dir noch von Deinem Mitstreiter “Marple” irgendwelche Dinge auf dem Tisch, die auch nur ansatzweise in der Lage wären, Eure Argumentation zu stützen.
Tipp: Aussagen wie “es mehren sich die Erkenntnisse” oder “wird zunehmend diskutiert” zählen nicht als wiss. Beweise. Das ist sinnloses Gerede, mehr nicht.
Spannend finde ich darüber hinaus tatsächlich, wie von “MD” bereits dargelegt, dass die gleichen Leute, die eine wiss. Studie des DKFZ zur Passivrauchproblematik in Bausch und Bogen als “unwissenschaftlich” verdammen, hier mit “Argumenten” auf dem Niveau von Lieschen Müller zu bestehen versucht wird. Jungs, das geht schief. Aber sowas von…. ;-)
OK, aber das ist eben das “Netzwerk Rauchen”. Man(n) kennt es ja…
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Leukämiewunder
In der Tat gab es gar keine erhöhten Leukämieraten um KKW's.
Die betreffenden 'Studien' sind allerdings ein Musterbeispiel dafür, wie epidemiologische Daten gefälscht werden können:
Man zog so lange Vergleichsradien um die Standorte, bis zufällig(!) ein signifikantes Ergebnis herauskam, und veröffentlichte dann nur(!) diesen Zufallswert.
Genau nach dem gleichen Muster werden heute von den Prohibitionisten 'Infarktwunder' erlogen.
Das ganze dient also eher als Beispiel dafür, wie von Seiten der Tabakkontrolle systematisch und mit erheblicher krimineller Energie lügnerische Greuelpropaganda betrieben wird.
But this only in passing. Es ist müßig, hier darüber zu diskutieren, es ist nicht der richtige Platz und, vor allem, fehlten bei den Autisten aus dem Lepraforum des Lehramts-'Akademikers' die mentalen Voraussetzungen, sprich, die grundsätzliche Diskussionsbereitschaft. Als Therapeut für Verhaltensstörungen bin ich mir zu schade.
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Lächerlich, Mr Marple!
Vollständiger Text der letzen Meldung:
“Das sind ja wirklich superharte Fakten und wirklich überzeugend. Und das aus einer Ecke, die dauernd behauptet, statistische Ergebnisse mit einen RR unter 2 seien nicht relevant. Und so jemand macht nun einen in wilder Spekulation und erwartet, dass man darüber eben nicht in Lachen ausbricht.”
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Rauchen macht krank
“Mr Marple” schrieb:
>Dennoch wird von mehr und mehr
>Medizinern die Gefährlichkeit des
>Nocebo-Effektes in die öffentliche
>Diskussion gebracht – und das sogar in
>Zusammenhang mit Warnhinweisen auf
>Zigarettenschachteln, man höre und
>staune.
Das sind ja wirklich superharte Fakten und wirklich überzeugend. Und das aus einer Ecke, die dauernd behauptet, statistische Ergebnisse mit einen RR von Und wenn es auch noch zum Thema
>Lungenkrebs / Nocebo mau aussieht mit
>wissenschaftlichen Untersuchungen, so
>gab es bereits interessante Ergebnisse
>im Falle von Leukämie. Studien aus den
>frühen 90er Jahren haben ergeben, das
>die Leukämie-Rate bei Kindern in
>Umgebung von Kernkraftwerken
>signifikant erhöht war; bei
>Kernkraftwerken, die noch gar nicht
>gebaut waren, sondern sich erst im
>Planungsstadium befanden.
Da haben Sie doch sicher eine Quelle, Mr Marple, oder?
Also fassen wir mal zusammen: Sie denken, dass Lungenkrebs durch die Angst vor Lungenkrebs ausgelöst werden kann, haben dafür aber keinen Beweis und stützen diese völlig absurde These mit der nicht bewiesenen These, die Angst vor AKW habe bei Kindern signifikant zu zu Leukämie geführt.
Mr Marple, mit Verlaub, Sie sind ein Komiker aber kein Ernst zu nehmender Diskussionspartner. Bin mal gespannt wie Herr Racho Sie wieder zerpflücken wird.
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'Passivrauchlüge'
“…Unsinn der Passivrauchlüge …”
Bitte machen Sie sich nicht lächerlich! Dass ETS gesundheitsgefährdend ist, ist ein anerkennater Standpunkt der Wissenschaft, vielleicht mit Ausnahme einiger interessengeleiteter Personen.
Wer die Gefährlichkeit von ETS leugnet ist nicht an einer ernsthaften Diskussion interessiert.
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Angst macht krank
@Alfi:
Rechenaufgaben, die sich mit dem Thema ARBEIT beschäftigen, sollte man nicht jemandem stellen, der den lieben langen Tag offenbar nichts besseres zu tun hat, als in einem Forum rumzulesen, welches nach eigenen Angaben nur von dumpfsinnigen Unterschichtlern bevölkert wird.
Wer soviel Zeit hat, kann meiner Einschätzung nach keiner Arbeit nachgehen; weder von morgens bis Abends, noch von 8 Uhr bis 13 Uhr.
Und an Herrn Rachow: Dass Lungenkrebs durch krankmachende Einbildung hervorgerufen werden kann, ist bis dato nicht bewiesen. Zum einen werden zum Thema Nocebo sehr wenige Studien durchgeführt, zum anderen wären experimentelle Studiendesigns, ob doppelblind oder nicht, mit dem Ziel eines Krebs-hinführenden Nocebo-Effektes
ethisch nicht vertretbar – was auch gut so ist.
Dennoch wird von mehr und mehr Medizinern die Gefährlichkeit des Nocebo-Effektes in die öffentliche Diskussion gebracht – und das sogar in Zusammenhang mit Warnhinweisen auf Zigarettenschachteln, man höre und staune.
Und wenn es auch noch zum Thema Lungenkrebs / Nocebo mau aussieht mit wissenschaftlichen Untersuchungen, so gab es bereits interessante Ergebnisse im Falle von Leukämie. Studien aus den frühen 90er Jahren haben ergeben, das die Leukämie-Rate bei Kindern in Umgebung von Kernkraftwerken signifikant erhöht war; bei Kernkraftwerken, die noch gar nicht gebaut waren, sondern sich erst im Planungsstadium befanden.
Das ist ein starkes Indiz für Nocebo-bedingten Krebs, zumal die negative Erwartungshaltung offenbar von den informierten Eltern unbewusst auf die Kinder übertragen wurde.
In kürze werden Sie noch mehr über solche Nocebo-Effekte lesen können, ebenso die zugehörigen Quellen. Mitbekommen werden Sie die Veröffentlichung der Untersuchungen sicherlich, dafür sind Sie ja oft genug auf unserer Seite.
Regards, Mr.Marple
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@ Peter Rachow
1 Arbeiter benötigt für eine Arbeit 1 Stunde Zeit. Wie lange benötigen 2 Arbeiter für die gleiche Arbeit?
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@Volksverdummung
Zitat: “2/3 der angeblichen statistischen Toten sind um die 80″
Mathe ist nicht Ihre Stärke, oder? Hier ist etwas Nachhilfe in Bruchrechnen:
http://www.peter-rachow.de/furzesmuell2.htm
Good luck!
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Trotzdem Danke nochmal (:-))
Na die Frage nach dem Studium kann man ja getrost zurückgeben. Solche Arroganz kann ja eigentlich nur von Dipl. Sozialheinis oder ähnlichen “Akademikern” kommen. Naja, wenn man sich dieses Wissentschaftsgewürge mit 3301 statistischen Toten ansieht, entbehrt das allem, was man mal im Bezug auf seriöse Forschung gelernt hat. Denn merke, Propaganda hat nix mit Wissentschaft und / oder Studium zu tun. Nochmal zur Erinnerung, 2/3 der angeblichen statistischen Toten sind um die 80 und das sind lt. Stat. Bundesamt 2 Jahre mehr Lebenserwartung als der Durchschnitt in diesem Ü-Eier Verbotsland. Wenn das Wissentschaft sein soll, muss jede Schule oder Uni umgehend geschlossen werden (:-))
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Trotzdem Danke
für die geile Show.
Mal 'ne andere Frage: Was habt Ihr eigentlich studiert, wenn überhaupt? Interessiert mich rein theoretisch, weil ich mich immer frage, welches kognitive Niveau man haben muss, um solche abstrusen Thesen aufzustellen wie Ihr.
Aber die Geschichte mit “Angst vor Lungenkrebs macht Lungenkrebs” war wirklich obercool. Sowas von geil habe ich schon lange nicht mehr gesehen!
You made my day!
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Ach jaaa…
…du und deine 'Nichtraucheraktivisten'!
LOL!
Die hier, nicht wahr:
http://142785.homepagemodules.de/
Im Lepra-Forum der Prohibition, autistisch verkümmert.
Arme Schweine, die sogar von den Antis nicht für voll genommen werden.
Zu Recht allerdings, wie man leicht sehen kann…
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@”robin”
Hallo “robin”,
wolltest Du nun witzig sein oder intelligent? Egal, beides ging daneben. ;-)
BTW: Bist Du DER “robin”, der gerade mit “Mr. Marple” zusammen im Forum vom sog. “Netzwerk Rauchen” die Genese von Lungentumoren erklärt hat? Mit diesem Ansatz:
“Dies gilt im übrigen auch für passivrauchende Nichtraucher, denen eine gesundheitliche Gefährdung mit allen Mitteln eingeredet wird; kein Wunder, wenn sich in einer solchen Erwartungshaltung Lungenkrebs und Tumore herausbilden!”
Wenn ja, DANKE dafür!!! Ein paar andere Nichtraucheraktivisten und ich haben uns absolut schlapp gelacht. Ihr solltet diese These unbedingt mal in einem Medizinerforum zum Besten geben.
Die lachen auch gerne! ;-))
Jetzt wird mir auch klar, warum von diesem “Netzwerk” so viel Stuss zum Thema “Passivrauchen und Gsundheitsgefahr” kommt. Das müssen alles solche Koniferen (Schreibweise ist Absicht!) sein wie Ihr! ;-))
Danke nochmal!
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Notwehr
LOL!
Nee, Rachow, das ist anders als du denkst!
Wir wollen gar nicht rauchen, wir hassen diesen Gestank!
Aber wir haben Angst, daß du zur Tür 'reinkommst und 'n Bier bestellst, wenn wir aufhören…
So, und jetzt geh' wieder schön in deine Therapiegruppe, wer hat dir denn überhaupt erlaubt, die Anstalt zu verlassen?
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sog. “Raucherclubs” verfassungsgemäß
Quote:
>Das Verfassungsgericht hat die in
>Bayern praktizierte Möglichkeit,
>Raucherclubs einzurichten,
>ausdrücklich als verfassungskonform
>bezeichnet.
Hat das eigentlich je jemand angezweifelt??? In Deutschland besteht zuerst einmal das Recht auf individuelle Selbstötung. Jeder Mensch hat das Recht, seinem Leben ein Ende zu setzen, wie und wann er es für angemessen befindet. Daraus folgt ebenfalls das Recht auf kollektiven Selbstmord, also Suizid in einer Gruppe.
Andererseits besteht in Deutschland grundgesetzlich garantiert das Recht auf Vereinigungsfreiheit gem. Art. 9 GG. Die Gründung von Vereinen ist also frei, so lange diese Vereine keine dem Gesetz zuwider laufenden Ziele haben.
Wenn sich nun Menschen in einen Verein nur zum Zwecke des gemeinsamen Drogenkonsums zusammenschließen und dabei ein großer Teil dieser Vereinsmitgleider eine tödliche Krankheit erleiden wird, ist das rechtlich in keiner Weise zu beanstanden.
Wieso sollen diese Suizidclubs (“Raucherclubs”) denn dann verfassungswidrig sein???
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Noch wichtiger …
Was dieses MD auch immer sein mag, es bewegt sich mit diesem Passivrauchblödsinn auf den Niveau von Ü-Eier & Badehosenverbot. Das BVG hat nur entschieden, dass wenn es so sein sollte, dieser Blödsinn verfassungskonform wäre. Mit der nächsten Runde, wo festgestellt werden wird, das diese 3301 Toten Statistik Harakiri sind, ist diese gesamte “Begründung” ad acta und die Kollegen von Pro Hirnbrei wieder arbeitslos, sorry denunziantenlos (:-))
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Verfassungskonform wegen Clubs
Es wird im Urteil ausdrücklich gesagt, dass durch die Möglichkeit, Clubs zu gründen, durch das totale Rauchverbot keine Nachteile entstehen.
Die Antis sollten abwarten was passiert wenn gegen die Passivrauchlüge geklagt wird, bevor sie sich wie die Hirnfreien zu Jubelstürmen hinreißen lassen.
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Wichtiger
Viel interessanter ist der Teil des Urteils, der ausnahmslose Rauchverbote in der Gastronomie als ausdrücklich verfassungskonform ansieht. ;-)
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@Marpelchen II
Zitat: “Daneben geht diese Person Hobbys nach, die fern von jeglichen sozialen Kontakten sind: Modellbau,”
Wrong. ModellBAHN!
“elektrische Geräte zusammenbasteln,”
Wieder falsch: ELEKTRONISCHE Geräte… (den Unterschied zwischen “Elektrik” und “Elektronik” wollen Sie selbst erarbeiten.)
“Tauchen”
Wird normalerweise im Team ausgeübt. Aber woher sollen SIE das wissen?
Des Weiteren haben Sie vergessen: Rennradfahren, Fitnesstraining, Musizieren.
Gut, Sie werden das nicht mögen, aber für alle meine Hobbies braucht man entweder Verstand, Können, Wissen, Spaß am Sport und an körperlicher Leistungsfähigkeit oder Talent.
Klar, sich mit irgendwelchen Leuten in einer siffigen Beiz zusammenzusetzen, sich eine Kippe nach der anderen reinzuziehen und dabei Alk wegzuballern, dass es knallt, mag einfacher sein… Jedem das Seine. Raucher sind halt “gesellig”. Aber dafür früher tot. ;-)
Obwohl… Mit so Leuten wie Ihnen würde ich auch kein Bier trinken gehen wollen. Sie sind mir einfach zu schlecht drauf. Ihre schlechte Laune kann man ja bis hierher riechen. ;-)
BTW: Machen Sie doch auch mal Sport! Starten Sie mit einem einfachen Trainiungsprogramm und versuchen innerhalb von 6-8 Wochen 10 km am Stück laufen zu können. Gut, Sie müssten dazu das Rauchen aufgeben, aber dann wird das schon. Sie sollen mal sehen, wie schnell Ihre zugeteerte Lunge wieder frei ist. Ich kenne Leute, die sind von Kippe runter und waren in 6 Monaten wieder halbwegs fit. Ist natürlich anstrengend. Rauchen ist bestimmt einfacher.
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